blue items in pre-searing - Guild Wars Forums

Rence · Mar 07, 2011, 07:32 AM // 07:32

Is it worth it to ID blue items in pre-searing? It seems like most items in pre-searing don't sell more than 10 gold unless identified with the increased sale value, but is the probability of getting 'increased sale value' or 'highly salvageable' in pre-searing high enough for it to be worthwhile to ID all blue items I get?

Kook~NBK~ · Mar 07, 2011, 07:36 AM // 07:36

ABSOLUTELY! You'll get more than enough "increased sale value" items to offset the price of ID kits.

Rence · Mar 07, 2011, 07:40 AM // 07:40

thanks a lot for the quick answer! what about in post-searing? is it worth it to ID blue stuff there as well?

Matirion Maeronta · Mar 07, 2011, 07:58 AM // 07:58

Yes, it is worth it. After a certain point it's worth it to ID anything, including white items, the value of an IDed item goes up regardless of its quality.

BenjZee · Mar 07, 2011, 08:08 AM // 08:08

Probably one of the best tips you can possibly give someone

Divine Ashes · Mar 07, 2011, 08:40 AM // 08:40

Yeah, especially when as you get farther along in the post-searing story lines. Identifying every white you get can dramatically increase your profits.

In pre, though, I haven't found it necessary to ID whites. Blues and up, yes, but not whites.

Rence · Mar 07, 2011, 09:15 AM // 09:15

well according to this page http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Earning_gold, whites should be ID'd when their value exceeds 15 gold

*Darcy* · Mar 07, 2011, 09:26 AM // 09:26

That wiki is not a good source. The administration is very lax so the info is not reliable. The original admin moved the wiki to another host, but Wikia refuses to remove the wiki.

You should use the Official Wiki http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Identification
or the original Unofficial Wiki http://www.guildwiki.org/Identification_Kit

As you can see the advice differs between the wiki sites, but as long as the average item's value increases by more than 4g you will make a profit.

Olle · Mar 07, 2011, 10:48 AM // 10:48

specially blue armor, as it can have runes/insignias, specially radiant,survivor, vitae,minor vigor etc!

Urcscumug · Mar 07, 2011, 03:13 PM // 15:13

...4g being the calculated cost per use of the ID kit (in case it needs saying).

In Pre, I collect all blues and purples that drop and always carry an ID kit with me in case my inventory fills up and I need to decide which items to throw away. As a rough estimate, the 25 items identified with a kit worth 100g will get you back about 250g. That's if you're unlucky and don't get any items with improved sale value. But chances are you'll get 2-3 of those in every lot of 25, pushing the profit to as much as 350g per kit.

Blue item farming is actually a classic method of making money in Pre and thus an ID kit is probably the best investment for your first 100g.

Now, how much money you should try to make while in Pre, that's another story. Here are some worthy investments:

* At the very least you should probably make about 300-500g (100g to unlock access to Xunlai storage; 200-400g for armor from Benoit or Corwen).

* Try to buy one or two Charr bags. They usually drop in the Northlands and players sell them for 450-500g. Any higher price is not worth it if you're gonna move to Post, you can pick up a bag+rune of holding for 600g in Post from any merchant.

* Farm or buy 50 iris flowers and get an equipment pack from Yakkington. They cost 2.5k in Post.

* Invest into a salvage kit, pick up white drops and convert them to materials. This will help you save the money for buying those materials in Post. Check the wiki to see what materials Benoit/Corwen will request for your profession's armor -- no use salvaging metal/wood items if you need cloth or dust.

* Rangers and Warriors would also be wise to invest into weapons from Arthur Ayala, who can make a decent sword/hammer/axe for a W in exchange for 300g, 11 iron and 3 wood, or a bow for R for 100g and 5 wood. Other professions want nothing from Ayala, he has some focus items but you'll get better drops almost anywhere.

* Take any dye you find with you to Post. There's a dye trader there who will pay much better than the Pre merchant.

* Depending on your profession there are some excellent items received as reward for certain quests. Examine any reward carefully. Some of them will serve you well for a long time, even in Post.

Other than that, there's not much to spend money on in Pre. The exception is, of course, if you have a perma-Pre character. That guy or girl will have to round up some decent change to be able to buy charr bags for whatever the sellers ask for, charr salvage kits, unsalvaged runes for their armor and of course a decent weapon/offhand item. We're talking 30k+, so their best choice is to farm Northlands for drops (charr bags, kits, items and runes) they can sell or use. Another decent alternative is to farm quest items, exchange them for Gifts of the Hunter from Nicholas Sandford and sell those; this will get you 1.5k for 5 unopened presents, per day.

Quaker · Mar 07, 2011, 03:54 PM // 15:54

Personally, I don't think it's worth the time to identify whites - yes, that's not a typo - not worth the time. Just blues and up.

In the time it takes to identify a bunch of white, you could kill more stuff and get more drops that would be worth more gold.

Edit - I'm referring to post-searing.

Skyy High · Mar 07, 2011, 05:38 PM // 17:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaker

Personally, I don't think it's worth the time to identify whites - yes, that's not a typo - not worth the time. Just blues and up.

In the time it takes to identify a bunch of white, you could kill more stuff and get more drops that would be worth more gold.

Identify while you're walking to the next group.

Yawgmoth · Mar 08, 2011, 12:26 AM // 00:26

Always identify blues, anywhere, even those dropped from level 0 foes. The ones with increased sale value will make over 2x the cost of the kit, but it's not everything you'll get!

Don't forget about *highly salvagable* items - those are so often overlooked - salvage them all!

A 2gold worth blue with hs may salvage to 4 iron ingots or 5 wood planks and those sell straight to merchant for 20g!

(ofcourse only merch them if you're perma-pre, but also consider searing some like Granite Slabs)

It really adds up, just like identifying whites later on.

Moonstalker · Mar 08, 2011, 01:58 AM // 01:58

Hang on.. I'm ninjaing this with another question.
IDing whites makes the price go up..?!
Why would it do that? Does it depend on what kind of items? Would it be good to ID end game whites? (DoA/FoW/Urgoz/etc)

**Marty Silverblade** · Mar 08, 2011, 03:45 AM // 03:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonstalker

Hang on.. I'm ninjaing this with another question.
IDing whites makes the price go up..?!
Why would it do that? Does it depend on what kind of items? Would it be good to ID end game whites? (DoA/FoW/Urgoz/etc)

I don't think there's any particular explanation for it, it just happens. Anything that doesn't have a 'Value: x gold' or similar will go up in price when identified. Greens increase in price but it tends to be 35 -> 37 which isn't useful. Whites from HM can increase from 1g (a loss) to 30g+. It's definitely worth it.

EDIT: Just did today's Wanted and one of my drops was a 5-25 (non max), req 12, white spiked axe. Original value was 56, it literally doubled to 112 after identification. 'Increased sale value' aside, whites probably increase as much as blues do.

Rence · Mar 08, 2011, 07:32 AM // 07:32

one more question, should I salvage everything I find in pre-searing (besides items with increased value which I should sell or that are highly salvageable which I should salvage later with an expert kit)?

bsoltan · Mar 08, 2011, 11:29 AM // 11:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rence

one more question, should I salvage everything I find in pre-searing (besides items with increased value which I should sell or that are highly salvageable which I should salvage later with an expert kit)?

Only if you need the materials.

The materials won't sell for much in Pre-Searing so unless you plan to use them or use/sell them Post Searing then just sell the drops after IDing.

Rence · Mar 08, 2011, 11:45 AM // 11:45

I plan to carry mats into post-searing but I'm not sure which ones are worth salvaging e.g. wood planks, bones

Why? · Mar 08, 2011, 02:20 PM // 14:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonstalker

Hang on.. I'm ninjaing this with another question.
IDing whites makes the price go up..?!
Why would it do that? Does it depend on what kind of items? Would it be good to ID end game whites? (DoA/FoW/Urgoz/etc)

you should id all weapons you get from any area where you have max armor. the prices will always go up more than the cost of the kits.

Chrisworld · Mar 08, 2011, 09:52 PM // 21:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

ABSOLUTELY! You'll get more than enough "increased sale value" items to offset the price of ID kits.

This.

When I was reading this thread yesterday I actually went out into green hills county on my perma pre and found 3 blues with increased sale value within 3 minutes. That was at least 180g right there.

Mar 07, 2011, 07:32 AM // 07:32	#1
Rence Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005	blue items in pre-searing Is it worth it to ID blue items in pre-searing? It seems like most items in pre-searing don't sell more than 10 gold unless identified with the increased sale value, but is the probability of getting 'increased sale value' or 'highly salvageable' in pre-searing high enough for it to be worthwhile to ID all blue items I get?

Mar 07, 2011, 03:54 PM // 15:54	#11
Quaker Hell's Protector Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Guild: Brothers Disgruntled	Personally, I don't think it's worth the time to identify whites - yes, that's not a typo - not worth the time. Just blues and up. In the time it takes to identify a bunch of white, you could kill more stuff and get more drops that would be worth more gold. Edit - I'm referring to post-searing. Last edited by Quaker; Mar 09, 2011 at 02:35 PM // 14:35..

Mar 07, 2011, 07:36 AM // 07:36	#2
Kook~NBK~ Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: A little chalet outside Drok's Guild: Natural Born Killaz	ABSOLUTELY! You'll get more than enough "increased sale value" items to offset the price of ID kits.

Mar 07, 2011, 07:40 AM // 07:40	#3
Rence Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005	thanks a lot for the quick answer! what about in post-searing? is it worth it to ID blue stuff there as well?

Mar 07, 2011, 07:58 AM // 07:58	#4
Matirion Maeronta Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Noord-Scharwoude, NL Profession: E/	Yes, it is worth it. After a certain point it's worth it to ID anything, including white items, the value of an IDed item goes up regardless of its quality.

Mar 07, 2011, 08:08 AM // 08:08	#5
BenjZee Forge Runner Join Date: Dec 2006 Guild: The Overacheivers [Club] Profession: Mo/	Probably one of the best tips you can possibly give someone

Mar 07, 2011, 08:40 AM // 08:40	#6
Divine Ashes Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Chicago Guild: LFG Profession: R/	Yeah, especially when as you get farther along in the post-searing story lines. Identifying every white you get can dramatically increase your profits. In pre, though, I haven't found it necessary to ID whites. Blues and up, yes, but not whites.

Mar 07, 2011, 09:15 AM // 09:15	#7
Rence Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005	well according to this page http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Earning_gold, whites should be ID'd when their value exceeds 15 gold

Mar 07, 2011, 09:26 AM // 09:26	#8
Darcy Never Too Old Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island where there are no GW contests Guild: Order of First Profession: W/R	That wiki is not a good source. The administration is very lax so the info is not reliable. The original admin moved the wiki to another host, but Wikia refuses to remove the wiki. You should use the Official Wiki http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Identification or the original Unofficial Wiki http://www.guildwiki.org/Identification_Kit As you can see the advice differs between the wiki sites, but as long as the average item's value increases by more than 4g you will make a profit.

Mar 07, 2011, 10:48 AM // 10:48	#9
Olle Furnace Stoker Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ign: Miniature Julia Guild: Teh Academy[PhD] Profession: W/	specially blue armor, as it can have runes/insignias, specially radiant,survivor, vitae,minor vigor etc!

Mar 07, 2011, 03:13 PM // 15:13	#10
Urcscumug Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2011 Guild: UNO Profession: W/	...4g being the calculated cost per use of the ID kit (in case it needs saying). In Pre, I collect all blues and purples that drop and always carry an ID kit with me in case my inventory fills up and I need to decide which items to throw away. As a rough estimate, the 25 items identified with a kit worth 100g will get you back about 250g. That's if you're unlucky and don't get any items with improved sale value. But chances are you'll get 2-3 of those in every lot of 25, pushing the profit to as much as 350g per kit. Blue item farming is actually a classic method of making money in Pre and thus an ID kit is probably the best investment for your first 100g. Now, how much money you should try to make while in Pre, that's another story. Here are some worthy investments: * At the very least you should probably make about 300-500g (100g to unlock access to Xunlai storage; 200-400g for armor from Benoit or Corwen). * Try to buy one or two Charr bags. They usually drop in the Northlands and players sell them for 450-500g. Any higher price is not worth it if you're gonna move to Post, you can pick up a bag+rune of holding for 600g in Post from any merchant. * Farm or buy 50 iris flowers and get an equipment pack from Yakkington. They cost 2.5k in Post. * Invest into a salvage kit, pick up white drops and convert them to materials. This will help you save the money for buying those materials in Post. Check the wiki to see what materials Benoit/Corwen will request for your profession's armor -- no use salvaging metal/wood items if you need cloth or dust. * Rangers and Warriors would also be wise to invest into weapons from Arthur Ayala, who can make a decent sword/hammer/axe for a W in exchange for 300g, 11 iron and 3 wood, or a bow for R for 100g and 5 wood. Other professions want nothing from Ayala, he has some focus items but you'll get better drops almost anywhere. * Take any dye you find with you to Post. There's a dye trader there who will pay much better than the Pre merchant. * Depending on your profession there are some excellent items received as reward for certain quests. Examine any reward carefully. Some of them will serve you well for a long time, even in Post. Other than that, there's not much to spend money on in Pre. The exception is, of course, if you have a perma-Pre character. That guy or girl will have to round up some decent change to be able to buy charr bags for whatever the sellers ask for, charr salvage kits, unsalvaged runes for their armor and of course a decent weapon/offhand item. We're talking 30k+, so their best choice is to farm Northlands for drops (charr bags, kits, items and runes) they can sell or use. Another decent alternative is to farm quest items, exchange them for Gifts of the Hunter from Nicholas Sandford and sell those; this will get you 1.5k for 5 unopened presents, per day.

Mar 08, 2011, 12:26 AM // 00:26	#13
Yawgmoth Furnace Stoker Join Date: Apr 2005	Always identify blues, anywhere, even those dropped from level 0 foes. The ones with increased sale value will make over 2x the cost of the kit, but it's not everything you'll get! Don't forget about highly salvagable items - those are so often overlooked - salvage them all! A 2gold worth blue with hs may salvage to 4 iron ingots or 5 wood planks and those sell straight to merchant for 20g! (ofcourse only merch them if you're perma-pre, but also consider searing some like Granite Slabs) It really adds up, just like identifying whites later on.

Mar 08, 2011, 01:58 AM // 01:58	#14
Moonstalker Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2007 Guild: Club Of A Thousand Pandas [LOD???] Profession: Mo/	Hang on.. I'm ninjaing this with another question. IDing whites makes the price go up..?! Why would it do that? Does it depend on what kind of items? Would it be good to ID end game whites? (DoA/FoW/Urgoz/etc)

Mar 08, 2011, 07:32 AM // 07:32	#16
Rence Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005	one more question, should I salvage everything I find in pre-searing (besides items with increased value which I should sell or that are highly salvageable which I should salvage later with an expert kit)?

Mar 08, 2011, 11:45 AM // 11:45	#18
Rence Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005	I plan to carry mats into post-searing but I'm not sure which ones are worth salvaging e.g. wood planks, bones